Shh! Theories
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Can’t exist without you
So last night we finally got answers on what the Observers (scientists) are. So basically they are just the human race that evolved. Generations and generations in the future. Wow I guess we don’t have feelings or hair in the future. Anyway, back to the theory. I think the reason why September is connected to the Bishops/Dunhams is because they are his ancestors.
Imagine if one of your ancestors died before they procreated then mostly likely you wouldn’t exist. Hence why “the boy is important.” This could be the reason why Peter was able to exist in this timeline is because of September’s existence. If September took Peter out of the equation permanently then September would cease to exist. How can September be walking around in this timeline without Peter. He can’t, so I believe this cause Peter to be in this timeline.
Now with the timeline thing another fan with a great theory explained why Peter is home already. I agree and added a little to it. You can see that here.
September’s “mistake” of interrupting Walternate from finding the cure, caused the war. We got that, so this makes me think that Peter and Olivia were bound to meet anyway. If September didn’t distract Walternate then Peter would have stayed on his side. However, by fate maybe Olivia crosses over and sees Peter, fall in love, have children, generations = September. Remember September said it has to be our Olivia and their Peter so it seems that they were meant to be together (war or not).
I can’t blame September for wanting to watch Walternate find the cure. If I had the opportunity to see an important moment in my ancestors’ life, I would want to see it. Another thing, September mentioned that every timeline Olivia dies but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t have children before she dies. Remember he didn’t say when, only that she does. Just something to keep in mind.
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Exactly. there is no other timeline. Peter is home. September confimed that last night when he said that Henry cease to exist (wasn’t suppose to happen) and that Peter made that sacrifice. Once you make a sacrifice you can’t undo it. So Peter needs to accept that and move on. As far as the memories thing go for Olivia. I see it as the same thing Elizabeth and Walter did to Peter. They made him believe he was home (affecting his memories). So it is happening again but this time with Peter. I mean Walter loved Peter as his own, why can’t Peter do the same for Olivia.Why Peter is at home.
Let’s start with something nobody can’t refute: Facts.
- 3.22 The Day We Died
Where everything begins. In the last scene, with all the Obervers:
DECEMBER: You were right. They don’t remember Peter.
SEPTEMBER: How could they? He never existed. He served his purpose.
The timeline has been rewritten, reset. December says “They don’t remember Peter” which means in other words “They knew him, but now that the timeline is rewritten they can’t because we’ve changed what they lived.”
If you use the word “remember” it implies that you lived something and you can only recall something that you lived. In that case they lived with Peter (season 1-3) and in the season 3 finale what they experienced has been changed, because the Peter variable has been erased. They can’t remember even if they lived with him at the first place because what they experienced has been changed. (if I never ate redvines then I can’t remember eating it if I never did it) (sad story but I really never ate redvines)
- 4.01 Neither Here Nor There
After an horrible summer hiatus, let’s see what the observers told us:
JANUARY: (about Our!Linc and Olivia) He used to know her.
SEPTEMBER: Yes. Before things changed.
What I’ve been explaining for TDWD. “He used to know her”. This literally means that Lincoln already met Olivia (3.17 Stowaway) and now that they changed everything that hapenned for the past 3 years the result is that Lincoln never met Olivia. January is here saying “They met before but they don’t remember meeting each other at all. You guys did a great job in changing events.”
So if you are still reading this and my weird explanations so far the conclusion is simple:
We are in our universe. With our people. And it has been told, more or less, since the season 4 premiere. Only what they lived has been changed.
Now if you want to close the window or scroll on your dash you can because what is coming in my interpretation of the events from The End of All Things (episode I only watched once so far because I’m not ready to have all the feelings back again)(if you *ever* want to reblog this you can erase what is in the “read more”)
(Source: simonsfoster)
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Crossing Over since the Beginning (theory)
I can’t believe this Aha moment just came to my mind and maybe I am too late and someone already had this theory. If that’s the case oops, if not then here it goes. Now we know that there are questions still let unanswered on Fringe and we want answers. Like who are the Observers really, what is Nina Sharp doing or does Peter like all kinds of bacon or just one type? Ok maybe not the last question but you get my point. Anyway, I think we got an answer to a question from the 1st season but didn’t realize until now.
So let’s go back shall we, way back in the beginning of season one. Yeah I am talking about John Scott. Ok so Walter theorized that John memories are in Olivia’s mind. Which okay I got that but I always wondered when she was in the tank how John was talking to her. So here is where the aha moment came ok what if Olivia was really talking to Alt John.
Think of the scene in the hotel and she left to go to the bathroom and John was talking to her. I think it’s possible Olivia crossed over to the other side maybe through Alt Liv and John was talking to Alt Liv. Now before you trash this theory think of the clues.
1. We have seen Olivia “crossover” in season one (red phone)
2. We also seen use of the tank to crossover (season 3)
3. The last ep Olivia felt like someone was in her mind (Olivia/John) and the universes were merging. - Maybe even timelines
4. Remember when little Olive crossed over talked to Walternate and didn’t know it.So number 4 makes me think that every time Olivia was seeing dead John she actually crossed over and saw Alt John. (Power Hungry) The blackout at the FBI office was happening on the other side. When the lights came back on she came back to our side.
Possibly the advice she was getting was from Alt John the whole time. Yes, you are probably asking why would Alt John help this side. Well why did Alt Broyles help Olivia escape? I mean he sacrificed his life for her and yeah she saved his son and he started to trust her but he died for her. And who knows maybe Alt John had some knowledge of our side and realize we were not monsters. Think of the Fringe Division then to now and how they changed. Yeah they might not trust us completely but I doubt they would kill us (I hope not). And maybe Alt Liv had a relationship with Alt John.
JOHN: Hey Liv It’s okay. It’s okay. It’s just me. I know this doesn’t make any sense to you. Even if it did, I know you don’t have any reason to trust me. But that’s what I’m asking you to do. We don’t have much time. I’m here to help.
OLIVIA: You tried to kill me.JOHN: No, Liv. I loved you. You know that. You know I loved you. I did. Always. I can prove it to you. But not here.
And to not confuse you let me help you understand. The John in the pilot was Our John. The John haunting Olivia was Alt John. If not universes then possibly timelines Olivia crossed over to talk to John. But hey it’s just a theory.
(Source: wrightroad. tumblr.com)
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“The thing that made her special killed her”
I think tonight’s episode confirmed that. Think about it. Last season Mr. X was located in Olivia’s brain. Mr. X driving the military truck in Jacksonville. The trials were held there and it was mentioned parents put their kids in those experiments for the trust fund (Subject 9). Anyway back to my point, back to LSD another thing is the fact of where Mr. X was. He was in a red blimp where Walter and Bell were controlling/driving it. The same people who started the trials. Then Mr. X was in that same blimp locked away. Interesting considering that…..
”I think they meant for us to forget.” (the door was locked)
“He said he knew how to wake me up. I shouldn’t have listened to him. Sometimes what we wake up, it can’t be put back to sleep. “ (Mr. X breaking out represents activation.)
Another thing, notice that Mr. X was only trying to kill Olivia not everyone else. The others died trying to protect Olivia. Remember he pointed the flare at Peter (asked for his name) but didn’t kill him because he wasn’t Olivia.
Funny thing to think about also, the victim in tonight episode drew pictures of future death’s even her own. Well Olivia drew a picture of Mr. X.
PETER (looking at Olivia’s drawing): Who is this guy? I saw him in your mind. You had him locked up in a Zeppelin. (lack of fear on Olivia’s part - not activated) He was just flying around trapped in there.
OLIVIA: I don’t know. I haven’t seen him before. But I think that he’s the man who’s gonna kill me.
Mr. X is CorteXiphan.
(Source: wrightroad)
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The Trio
So we know or at least have seen before that Nina Sharp have communicated with Bell before on that computer. So I’m not surprise that the same thing is happening again. In season one, David tried to cross over to get to Bell. Well maybe he was successful this time.
I won’t be surprise that Bell is alive. The reason why he died was because he helped Peter/Altliv/Walter crossover. But in this new timeline Bell can be still alive since adult Peter never existed, hence no crossover. So I think David/Bell/Nina are working together.
Now before you continue, I posted this theory so you can understand the next part. Are you back? Still here. Good :) Crazy theory time. Now it gets even crazier because I am going to combine my last theory.
So what I am saying is what if Peter is Bell and trying to save Olivia in every timeline. Creating shapeshifters, cortexiphan, any means necessary to save Olivia. What if Nina Sharp is Altliv from the future. Yeah crazy thought. Peter did say Altliv is a good person so maybe she tries to help Peter. Until I see Alt Nina I will always think Nina is from the Alt universe.
Fringe have shown that sometimes the bad guys are the good guys. Remember what Walternate said last week “Not everything is as it seems”
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Olivia’s outcome
Think about it for a second. Think about all the times Olivia have escaped death. When September told Olivia that every possible future Olivia always dies. Instead of screaming no well not at first ;P I screamed I KNEW IT!
OK start with her childhood, what if there was a timeline where Olivia never had cortexiphan. Maybe that Olivia being vulnerable died. So next timeline, she get cortexiphan. That timeline Olivia causes the fire (lab fire) but she doesn’t survive and Carla does. Now next timeline the opposite happens but she gets cancer not her mother. Next timeline the opposite happens. Now season one Olivia crosses over and comes back brain dead. She somehow survives (I will get back to this later). Season three she almost gets dissected, Broyles saves her, she survives. Then Peter uses the machine and saves our universe but Olivia dies. So he changes his mind and now here we are in season four. Do you see the pattern?
The pattern is this (theory time) what if all this incidents is a cause of trial and error on Peter’s part. Every time he tries to save her, the outcome remains the same. The cortexiphan trials started because Walter was trying to find a safe way to return Peter (Peter stayed for Olivia). Olivia was brain dead until Peter touched her. Olivia fought Walternate because of her love for Peter. Heck, maybe Peter created the two universes hence two Olivia’s (ok forget that last sentence unless I’m right)
Think about the sub plots in other episodes of smart scientists doing whatever they can to protect or save their loved ones. But at the end they must learn to move on. Walter didn’t move on and because of that a war was started. Well Peter can’t let Olivia go which is causing this mess.
In other words, this is a tragic love story.
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The Butterfly Effect Theory
Based on pure speculation since I am spoiler free, I think I can figure out what will happen next week. Ok what if something happens that causes Peter to talk to the Observers to turn back time. But not in 2011 more like 1985. Well, in 1985 September messed up and watched Walternate find the cure. And because of that the chain of events happened (war, machine etc). Because everything must be balanced and kidnapping Peter caused that imbalance.
So Peter asks to correct that mistake but doing so means, he doesn’t cross over so NO POLIVIA. Plus no Fringe events, means Walter is sane (Walter becomes Walternate) Elizabeth doesn’t die. John Scott is alive and marries Olivia. Charlie is alive. Nina Sharp has both arms. No Cortexiphan, William Bell is alive and Alt Broyles. Our Broyles still married, no ZFT, and Astrid not working with Walter.
So the people on our side becomes the people over there (personality wise). Remember its the events that made the people that we love on the show. Without Cortexiphan, Olivia was a happy kid (think Altliv). William won’t remove parts of Walter’s brain so Walter becomes Walternate.
Foreshawdowing
Credit to MissKira for this part. Last night we were discussing my theory and she talked about Peter’s temporary memory loss. Peter woke up and believed he was on the other side. He didn’t remember his life here as if he was always on the other side and the kidnapping never happened. We believe this is foreshadowing what will happen next week and season four. Which can make this theory possible. That maybe the past will change. Think about Mr. Peck in White Tulip, he changed the past which changed the future. And White Tulip has been the theme the whole season.
Because every action causes ripples, consequences both obvious and… unforeseen. You and I have interfered with the natural course of events. We have upset the balance in ways I could not have predicted. -Observer (The Firefly)
Oh btw if you respond to this please no spoilers. thanks :)
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